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Tuxedo Catfish GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10	Posted - 2013.04.08 20:50:00 - [1] - Quote William Darkk wrote: So now that there's no Gallente ship more useful for anything than another race, can I have the skillpoints I put into Gallente BS V back so I can grab Amarr BS V? I mean christ, compare the Dominix to the Armageddon and ask which one you'd bring with you on a roam. Ditto for the Hyperion and the Abaddon. If I'd known in 2007 that the Amarr were the neut+drones race I'd have rolled Amarr and never looked back. Seriously. Every Amarr ship is now a quantifiably superior version of its Gallente counterpart; the Armageddon is what the Dominix ought to be, the Apocalypse gets a double bonus (range + tracking) that might have made the Megathron viable, and of course the Hyperion is still completely overshadowed by anything with a passive resist bonus. I am cautiously interested in the Megathron changes taken by themselves, out of context, but I can't imagine flying it over a pulse Apoc (if armor fit) or a Talos (if shield fit.)
Tuxedo Catfish GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 13	Posted - 2013.04.08 23:35:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: In the Megathron and the Hyperion, we had two ships that more or less shared some space. They were both armor focused blaster brawlers. The mega was armor focused because of its slot layout - but it had increased utility from one extra high slot and a larger drone bay, and also had an easier time applying damage because of the tracking bonus. Then we had the Hyperion which was bonused to look more like a heavy brawler - focused completely on damage and tank, because of having no utility high, less drones, and a tank focused bonus instead of tracking. This is where you went wrong, I think. The Megathron and the Hyperion do not share the same space. From the point of view of any well-informed Gallente pilot, the Hyperion might as well not exist -- the Gallente only have two battleships, one droneboat, and one armor/blaster brawler. You shouldn't be trying to move the Megathron away from that role -- you should be throwing out the useless and misconceived "role" the Hyperion attempts to fill and making it into something entirely new and exciting. Personally I think it would make a great analogue to the Scorpion, as a Gallente e-war battleship in the same line as the Maulus -> Celestis -> ???. The active tanking line is missing an entry at the cruiser size and has two battlecruiser entries, it doesn't need one at battleship size.
Tuxedo Catfish GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 17	Posted - 2013.04.09 00:17:00 - [3] - Quote Bouh Revetoile wrote: First, the Maelstrom is obviously a great fleetship (because there is a doctrine with it), yet it have a shield boosting bonus. The proposed Hyperion would follow this same pattern. This has more to do with the disproportionate advantages of projectile turrets and ammo than it does with the hulls.
Tuxedo Catfish GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 17	Posted - 2013.04.09 00:33:00 - [4] - Quote Bouh Revetoile wrote: Tuxedo Catfish wrote: Bouh Revetoile wrote: First, the Maelstrom is obviously a great fleetship (because there is a doctrine with it), yet it have a shield boosting bonus. The proposed Hyperion would follow this same pattern. This has more to do with the disproportionate advantages of projectile turrets and ammo than it does with the hulls. Or you are seeing it the wrong way : this has to do with railguns not being good enough ? This Hyperion would be a good as a Rokh in fact. Kind of an abaddon with more range but less resists. No, I think I have it right. Neither beam lasers nor railguns have any advantages nearly as significant as artillery's alpha and ability to deal any type of damage, and cruise missiles are in no position to be compared to either. Beam lasers, along with Railguns on the Rokh, still see some use because their situation is opposite of the Maelstrom -- mediocre guns on great hulls. Gallente battleships on the other hand simply do not have bonuses appropriate for fleet combat. The Megathron comes close, but while tracking is a good bonus it simply isn't in the same tier as optimal or passive resists, let alone competitive with a ship that has two out of three of those bonuses.
Tuxedo Catfish GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 18	Posted - 2013.04.09 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote Rysis Vyvorant wrote: I want you to think about something. What boat is there left for Gallente for PVE? With this change to the Domi not only is it full of meh for PvP but it is completely out classed by the Gedden for PVE. There is zero reason to fly any Gallente boat in PVE. Actually, the drone tracking and optimal bonus is great for sentry-based anomaly ratting and one of the only good things about the proposed Dominix change is that there might be a reason to fly one instead of an Ishtar now.
Tuxedo Catfish GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 18	Posted - 2013.04.09 01:44:00 - [6] - Quote Rysis Vyvorant wrote: Tuxedo Catfish wrote: Rysis Vyvorant wrote: I want you to think about something. What boat is there left for Gallente for PVE? With this change to the Domi not only is it full of meh for PvP but it is completely out classed by the Gedden for PVE. There is zero reason to fly any Gallente boat in PVE. Actually, the drone tracking and optimal bonus is great for sentry-based anomaly ratting and one of the only good things about the proposed Dominix change is that there might be a reason to fly one instead of an Ishtar now. I disagree. In a few days I will be hitting out past 120km with drones. I already hit to 110km and have very good damage application along with decent gun dps. I just feel that the new Domi has a lot of wasted slots now. If there were high or mids that added DPS to the drones then fine, but there is nothing. I really have no reason to fly the Domi. If you're hitting out to 120km then I very much doubt you're using Gardes, and thus are nowhere near "very good damage application." To clarify my point: a drone tracking bonus means an increase in real-world DPS. The optimal range bonus is just gravy and means that you can use whatever number of Omnidirectional Tracking Links you want (compromising between range/tracking and tank) instead of effecitvely requiring two of them to get your Garde IIs' optimal out past the rats' preferred orbit. My opinion is mostly rooted in Guristas ratting where drone boats were already excellent, but if anything I expect this will also make using Gardes viable against longer-range rats where it simply wasn't before.
Tuxedo Catfish GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 22	Posted - 2013.04.10 13:12:00 - [7] - Quote I love the revised Megathron changes, and while I'm disappointed to see the Hyperion stuck on active tanking it's still encouraging to see CCP is open to revising these sorts of changes after feedback.

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